christianity is psychotic

Saikou

i am just putting thoughts down here because i gotta write them down

in the hell section the topic does get pretty heavy even if it is shitposty at points (heavy like, ermmmmm my balls loololololol yolo swag)

PREPARE for my shower thoughts (there is a chance i have forgotten a couple things and may come back to this to EDIT)

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free will

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christianity finds itself in a catch-22 in regards to free will, evil existing on god's watch, and how sin doesn't enter heaven

so the primary defense for "why does god allow evil to exist" is FREE WILL FREE WILL YOU WOULDNT WANT TO BE A ROBOT WOULD YOU

(2nd one is original sin!!! original sin what abou-)(even though lowkey that contradicts free will like....... like i had zero fucking input in (hypothetically) my great grandad being a fuck shitto and killing 19 people in miami why would i be blamed for adam/eve and the FOrbidden FruitTM)

when it's all said and done, WHAT is stopping people in heaven from sinning? they have free will after all don't they??

a thought experiment: if sin cannot enter heaven, is hell a place where sin is constantly happening? so are sinners in hell jerking their shit while they're getting mutilated and cut into sashimi and roasted alive???? are they taking GAY backshots???? is there GAY demon sex in hell??

is the answer for no one in heaven sinning "well u wouldnt WANT to sin while ur in heaven"

because that's A VIOLATION OF free will

and also why wouldn't god just make humans who wouldn't WANT to sin in the first place in the beginning

"because they need the memory of earth's sin to Not Want To Sin!! b-but also the only memory of sin will be jesus's palm holes from when he got nailed!!" honestly i think people would have gay sex anyway if that was hte only memory so that is Not an Argument

"god has aura and it makes u not want to sin!!!" so it's changing my will? it's altering my will? so i DON'T have free will, ok

if either of the above quotes ARE magically right, why didn't god apply the memory or aura to destroy evil while also allowing free will?
and if the memory shit would work i don't think the memory has to fucking happen for real, it can be implanted, god SURELY can implant memories because he has 0 limitations

free will cannot be used as a solution to why god allows evil to exist

god can not be good AND all powerful AND all knowing
the bible IS false

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heaven

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so heaven is where you are supposed to be in perpetual bliss and worshipping god forever

for the rest of eternity

do you know how long ETERNITY is

ETERNITY is not just 5 years or 20 years, or even 1000 years

It Is Not Even BEGINNING to be over when 10 /trillion/ fucking years have passed, not even halfway through when 9999 QUADRILLION years have passed, you haven't even Sat DOWN when 99 trestrigintillion years (one hundred googol, basically) have passed

it is utterly incomprehensible to the human mind how LONG that is

and you are going to be worshipping god for that long

maybe i could fw 200 years in bliss if it's that but after 100,000 years? 100 million? for the vast majority of that shit i would want to KILL myself

please just let me fucking LEAVE heaven after i've had enough

what if i want to leave? but you CANNOT LEAVE HEAVEN

you can never leave; You're Here Forever

free will? erm..... what did he do ahahhah

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...(assuming you keep your memory in heaven) how could a christian father, knowing that his daughter was not a christian and is in hell, enjoy heaven in any capacity with that knowledge? how can he cope with knowing that she is being barbecued 24/7 365 for 999 trillion years (and then another 999 trillion, then another 999 trillion ad infinitum)

also what kind of being wants you to fucking worship them, what fuckin egotistical piece of shit wants MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM to be DEFINED by me WORSHIPING THEM, who in the HELL pretends that's a relationship

that's not a fucking relationship

imagine a guy proposing to you like YOU MUST MARRY ME OR ELSE I TORTURE YOU IN MY BASEMENT

is that.. is that a choice???? how is it a choice to (1) either marry this asshole or (2) have my cock put in an egg slicer + i get a toothache that cannot be fixed + my check engine light comes on

obviously i would pick fucking NEITHER why would i want to marry fucking jeffrey dahmer

now christianity faces us with jeffrey dahmer [Ascended to Godhood] and we must worship him or suffer endlessly

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hell

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in christian lore (outside of universalism which says every1 goes 2 heaven) you have to believe in jesus to NOT go be tortured for eternity

if you read the heaven section (why...why wouldnt you) you can maybe see a glimpse of how FUCKING long eternity is, it is not possible with just language to communicate how long it is , like genuinely

and christians are ok with believing that any of their loved ones who happen to not be in their cult 1000% are going to be tortured and burned alive for an unending length of time

is junko furuta in hell? (it is statistically unlikely she was christian)
is sylvia likens in hell? (its possible she was christian but not 100% certain)

(look them up if you don't know their stories)

another question in the same vein, more well known but it is less easy to grasp because it happened on a larger scale:

are non-christian holocaust victims in hell?

if the answer to any of these questions is Yes then not only is god completely evil (and absolutely dwarfs any version of satan in terms of evil) but he also is a continuation of the original murderers and tormentors of these people, utterly utterly VILE people

and not only a continuation but an absolutely infinite one

as the one who keeps hell running in perpetuity, who can stop it at any time, god is NOT good in ANY capacity

this ALSO applies if it's argued that "oh well god is life and if u dont have his presence and ur separated from him u turn into worm food that somehow regenerates also u burn burn burn in a burning ring of fire"

this quote is christians pulling a "SOURCE: my ass" moment but if that is true, god has an ethical obligation to keep his presence on everyone even if they never hear about him or Accept ChristTM or whatever the fuck if he's the life support of all life

the situation stands that god is complicit in and is outright the perpetrator of: evils beyond human comprehension

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false prophecy

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in matthew 16 jesus makes a promise that Does Not Come True and it is very very obvious

chapter and verse demarcations are invented after the fact and promote specific interpretations and cherrypicking, you want to include the whole sentence or paragraph but thats too meandering a lot of the time

this is part of a larger paragraph, but before it is just musings about following jesus and "not gaining the whole world at the expense of your soul"

the first sentence informs the second but the website or translation (and thus interpretation) twists it to make it not look like it does

matthew 16:27-28 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

people who were there to listen to him are dead lol, and self-evidently, the kingdom of heaven did not fucking arrive on earth in 33 AD or whenever
no he was not fucking referring to the transfiguration which only was witnessed by 3 people and there were definitely more than that present for this, no he was not referring to the dying and coming back 3 days later because that would literally just make this "YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DIE UNTIL AFTER 8 DAYS FROM NOW" (or a few weeks from then)

he was saying "heaven dropping while ur still alive lmao" and it did not happen

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conclusion (for now????)

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christianity is a business, it collects money from donations and it runs TAX FREE (in churches in america where christianity is the most popular (america is absolutely absolutely fucked but that's another story))

do NOT look up pastor's houses/mansions or cars (infohazard)

christianity is also a CULT which members are discouraged from engaging with shit outside of it (to varying degrees) i mean like you can't marry a non-christian in probably 90% of cases (the "U MUST BE EQUALLY YOKED" from 2 corinthians) and hanging out with non-christians in some cases not all is limited to proselytizing efforts

the cultish shit is especially evident in keeping christians in check through the threat of ostracization where if you are a member and then leave you lose ur community and privileges or like any number of consequences can happen

many chrsitians have an utterly psychotic view of non-christians because they believe that you cannot be ethical without believing in a god, like hmmm yes i would definitely go be kidnapping and murdering people if i didn't know about spider-man, i would just kill and kill and kill

no they seriously believe this and like think that christian=GOOD PERSON and athiest or muslim= BAD PERSON it is a bias that is sometimes unconscious, sometimes out in the open

christianity is Not Fucking logical

anyway there's probably more but i am hungry and clicking send now byebye

Saikou

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malmon

Hey, at least it's not Judaism. That said, I haven't read the Bible, so I don't think I can really respond in any reasonable capacity. I suppose one thing to keep in mind is that the Bible isn't really a book, but a library (hence the name). It's made up of various books written by various people across many ages, with various translations of varying quality, then analysed and reinterpreted in various ways in at attempt to resolve the contradictions and archaic language.

Regardless, Christianity is generally one of the more chill religions compared to some others. But you always get the sects that do things a bit differently. They way you describe Christianity is akin to saying that Islam is a religion of terrorism. Both religions call for the persecution and death of non-believers if those parts of their respective scripture are interpreted as such, but it's rather unfair to draw such a wide brush stroke.

Backlash

malmon

Backlash -_- The stage is open

Saoru_Sotiri

I understand your deep frustration and skepticism toward Christianity, and some of your language reflects genuine engagement with serious philosophical and theological questions. These aren’t new objections and Christians have wrestled with them for centuries. I’d like to offer a different way of approaching these topics, I am not here to convert not convince you but would like try and correctly address some of these issues.

God intends human to be in communion with him, not to coerce them. Mankind is given free will, and part of that reality includes the possibility of evil. We must not think of God as a physical thing that exist in a literal observation of us. The Christian faith is one that comes from revelation, and there are things that cannot be easily grasped with our modern interpretation of ancient scripture. Evil exists and it is necessarily permitted to exist. Seems a little unsatisfactory of an answer but there's a lot more that we could go into on this topic. It's a bit hard, but maybe it's not so hard to understand that there's a lot more to be understood within a holistic paradigm.

Heaven is not something that we really understand or really know to exist in this moment. Maybe some liberal depictions have created a little bit of a misunderstanding. That being said making some hypothetical argument about sin not being able to enter heaven and jerking it in hell doesn't give much to talk about. We really don't know what heaven is nor what it entails truly, we can read the Book of Revelation, but the problem is that we're prone to understand in a literal way. Christianity and the understanding of scripture has suffered a bit to modern interpretation.
You can actually go and read what the early "Church fathers believed and how the scriptures were understood" unfortunately picking up a Bible and believing what you understand of it is not always conducive to is intended meaning.
More on heaven. Again, we cannot actually know, even if someone claims to have had a vision or a near-death experience Christianity teaches that you cannot always trust what you feel, likewise what you may have a dream about. As we are man, visions can come from either three places. From ourselves, demons, or God. It would be foolish to claim to know the difference no matter how convinced we may be. You are totally right, such things are incomprehensible. We understand that we must all answer to God when the day comes. What day exactly? We don't know, there will be signs of the times but Christ comes like a thief in the night. (paraphrasing scripture) Communion with Christ is totally a choice, and it's a little difficult to follow the example of being "forced to marry" Again, I can see you're trying to abstract concepts in literal way, but this is really a fault of modern interpretation.
So nobody knows who actually goes to heaven, the Christian paradigm provides us with a good guide of how we should live and %100 percent makes the knowledge claim of being "true" but it does not tell you who will indeed go to heaven. Christ provides an excellent example and teachings to us that we may live as good Christian. You can "cherry pick" whatever you want to say "yes it does!" but I'd argue that you are misunderstanding something. Just how you could take some phrases and claim that you "must do this to be saved" and spin it to mean whatever you want. (of course this would be wrong)

In Christ/God there is life, but probably not the way you understand. The fall of man (Garden of Eden) is what caused death.. but not as you may understand it entirely. Christ came as the word incarnate to fulfil a new covenant to give us life/regeneration. Christ came to destroy death, and descended into Hades to preach the Gospel. (yes this is in the scripture) "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16. But is it that simple? No, not really, simple "belief is not what being a Christian is about. There are also the things you do.

As I had stated before, physical death is not the end of life. Death is to be without Christ, not to literally die as you and I know. That is what it means to not taste death, but of course those who died before Christ had been crucified indeed would have tasted death.

Many "churches" are really just cults. People will till the end of times as we know it use the word of God for evil. Churches do take money to run, and are community driven efforts. I think it's pretty easy to see in the example of "Mega Churches" how corruption occurs. Some more on that note real quick. Google "Timeline of Church history" and you can see how apostatised many "Churches" really are.

Yes, Christianity does discourage engaging in many things especially not marrying another Christian. You can definitely hang out with non- Christians, it would be awfully silly to ostracize somebody over that though I'm sure it could happen. So it's also not true that you cannot be ethical without being a Christian, but where do you suppose morals come from? Common sense? Evolution? Science? We could begin to suppose that it could, but it's gonna fall short for a true justification as to why that may be the case. Morals cannot be subjective, as that would mean that they could easily change.

I can totally see how Christianity cannot seem logical, but I think you might be demanding a simple answer to something a bit more complex.

I'm sure I didn't give a completely satisfactory answer as I'm not looking to convince of anything but I am completely open to try and answer what I can. Hope this reply find you well, my intention is not to provoke so I hope we can keep it civil and avoid egregious insults.