i am just putting thoughts down here because i gotta write them down
in the hell section the topic does get pretty heavy even if it is shitposty at points (heavy like, ermmmmm my balls loololololol yolo swag)
PREPARE for my shower thoughts (there is a chance i have forgotten a couple things and may come back to this to EDIT)
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- free will
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christianity finds itself in a catch-22 in regards to free will, evil existing on god's watch, and how sin doesn't enter heaven
so the primary defense for "why does god allow evil to exist" is FREE WILL FREE WILL YOU WOULDNT WANT TO BE A ROBOT WOULD YOU
(2nd one is original sin!!! original sin what abou-)(even though lowkey that contradicts free will like....... like i had zero fucking input in (hypothetically) my great grandad being a fuck shitto and killing 19 people in miami why would i be blamed for adam/eve and the FOrbidden FruitTM)
when it's all said and done, WHAT is stopping people in heaven from sinning? they have free will after all don't they??
a thought experiment: if sin cannot enter heaven, is hell a place where sin is constantly happening? so are sinners in hell jerking their shit while they're getting mutilated and cut into sashimi and roasted alive???? are they taking GAY backshots???? is there GAY demon sex in hell??
is the answer for no one in heaven sinning "well u wouldnt WANT to sin while ur in heaven"
because that's A VIOLATION OF free will
and also why wouldn't god just make humans who wouldn't WANT to sin in the first place in the beginning
"because they need the memory of earth's sin to Not Want To Sin!! b-but also the only memory of sin will be jesus's palm holes from when he got nailed!!" honestly i think people would have gay sex anyway if that was hte only memory so that is Not an Argument
"god has aura and it makes u not want to sin!!!" so it's changing my will? it's altering my will? so i DON'T have free will, ok
if either of the above quotes ARE magically right, why didn't god apply the memory or aura to destroy evil while also allowing free will?
and if the memory shit would work i don't think the memory has to fucking happen for real, it can be implanted, god SURELY can implant memories because he has 0 limitations
free will cannot be used as a solution to why god allows evil to exist
god can not be good AND all powerful AND all knowing
the bible IS false
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- heaven
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so heaven is where you are supposed to be in perpetual bliss and worshipping god forever
for the rest of eternity
do you know how long ETERNITY is
ETERNITY is not just 5 years or 20 years, or even 1000 years
It Is Not Even BEGINNING to be over when 10 /trillion/ fucking years have passed, not even halfway through when 9999 QUADRILLION years have passed, you haven't even Sat DOWN when 99 trestrigintillion years (one hundred googol, basically) have passed
it is utterly incomprehensible to the human mind how LONG that is
and you are going to be worshipping god for that long
maybe i could fw 200 years in bliss if it's that but after 100,000 years? 100 million? for the vast majority of that shit i would want to KILL myself
please just let me fucking LEAVE heaven after i've had enough
what if i want to leave? but you CANNOT LEAVE HEAVEN
you can never leave; You're Here Forever
free will? erm..... what did he do ahahhah
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...(assuming you keep your memory in heaven) how could a christian father, knowing that his daughter was not a christian and is in hell, enjoy heaven in any capacity with that knowledge? how can he cope with knowing that she is being barbecued 24/7 365 for 999 trillion years (and then another 999 trillion, then another 999 trillion ad infinitum)
also what kind of being wants you to fucking worship them, what fuckin egotistical piece of shit wants MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM to be DEFINED by me WORSHIPING THEM, who in the HELL pretends that's a relationship
that's not a fucking relationship
imagine a guy proposing to you like YOU MUST MARRY ME OR ELSE I TORTURE YOU IN MY BASEMENT
is that.. is that a choice???? how is it a choice to (1) either marry this asshole or (2) have my cock put in an egg slicer + i get a toothache that cannot be fixed + my check engine light comes on
obviously i would pick fucking NEITHER why would i want to marry fucking jeffrey dahmer
now christianity faces us with jeffrey dahmer [Ascended to Godhood] and we must worship him or suffer endlessly
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- hell
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in christian lore (outside of universalism which says every1 goes 2 heaven) you have to believe in jesus to NOT go be tortured for eternity
if you read the heaven section (why...why wouldnt you) you can maybe see a glimpse of how FUCKING long eternity is, it is not possible with just language to communicate how long it is , like genuinely
and christians are ok with believing that any of their loved ones who happen to not be in their cult 1000% are going to be tortured and burned alive for an unending length of time
is junko furuta in hell? (it is statistically unlikely she was christian)
is sylvia likens in hell? (its possible she was christian but not 100% certain)
(look them up if you don't know their stories)
another question in the same vein, more well known but it is less easy to grasp because it happened on a larger scale:
are non-christian holocaust victims in hell?
if the answer to any of these questions is Yes then not only is god completely evil (and absolutely dwarfs any version of satan in terms of evil) but he also is a continuation of the original murderers and tormentors of these people, utterly utterly VILE people
and not only a continuation but an absolutely infinite one
as the one who keeps hell running in perpetuity, who can stop it at any time, god is NOT good in ANY capacity
this ALSO applies if it's argued that "oh well god is life and if u dont have his presence and ur separated from him u turn into worm food that somehow regenerates also u burn burn burn in a burning ring of fire"
this quote is christians pulling a "SOURCE: my ass" moment but if that is true, god has an ethical obligation to keep his presence on everyone even if they never hear about him or Accept ChristTM or whatever the fuck if he's the life support of all life
the situation stands that god is complicit in and is outright the perpetrator of: evils beyond human comprehension
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- false prophecy
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in matthew 16 jesus makes a promise that Does Not Come True and it is very very obvious
chapter and verse demarcations are invented after the fact and promote specific interpretations and cherrypicking, you want to include the whole sentence or paragraph but thats too meandering a lot of the time
this is part of a larger paragraph, but before it is just musings about following jesus and "not gaining the whole world at the expense of your soul"
the first sentence informs the second but the website or translation (and thus interpretation) twists it to make it not look like it does
matthew 16:27-28 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
people who were there to listen to him are dead lol, and self-evidently, the kingdom of heaven did not fucking arrive on earth in 33 AD or whenever
no he was not fucking referring to the transfiguration which only was witnessed by 3 people and there were definitely more than that present for this, no he was not referring to the dying and coming back 3 days later because that would literally just make this "YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DIE UNTIL AFTER 8 DAYS FROM NOW" (or a few weeks from then)
he was saying "heaven dropping while ur still alive lmao" and it did not happen
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- conclusion (for now????)
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christianity is a business, it collects money from donations and it runs TAX FREE (in churches in america where christianity is the most popular (america is absolutely absolutely fucked but that's another story))
do NOT look up pastor's houses/mansions or cars (infohazard)
christianity is also a CULT which members are discouraged from engaging with shit outside of it (to varying degrees) i mean like you can't marry a non-christian in probably 90% of cases (the "U MUST BE EQUALLY YOKED" from 2 corinthians) and hanging out with non-christians in some cases not all is limited to proselytizing efforts
the cultish shit is especially evident in keeping christians in check through the threat of ostracization where if you are a member and then leave you lose ur community and privileges or like any number of consequences can happen
many chrsitians have an utterly psychotic view of non-christians because they believe that you cannot be ethical without believing in a god, like hmmm yes i would definitely go be kidnapping and murdering people if i didn't know about spider-man, i would just kill and kill and kill
no they seriously believe this and like think that christian=GOOD PERSON and athiest or muslim= BAD PERSON it is a bias that is sometimes unconscious, sometimes out in the open
christianity is Not Fucking logical
anyway there's probably more but i am hungry and clicking send now byebye