[support] How do some groups have sparkly colors?

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12-22-2015, 10:54 PM (This post was last modified: 12-22-2015, 11:04 PM by CompaIsMyWaifu.)
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I'm just curious as to what variable causes this. Right now we've got three different such groups with the sparkle feature: Waifu, Nyandere, and Nephilim. When you go to create a group though, there isn't any sort of option to implement sparkles. Is it just based on your color hex code? And if so, how do you know in advance what codes will enable it? It looks like all these groups were created by forum moderators, so is it exclusive only to mods when making a group?

If this is something that anyone can do, I feel like it should be common knowledge via a forum guide. (that is, if it's not explained within its own menu)

And this just opens up even more questions... Are there OTHER hidden visual effects we haven't seen used by anyone yet?

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12-22-2015, 10:57 PM
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Also, a suggestion... We should add a feature when creating groups to allow you to see how your hex code will affect the text BEFORE making the group. Right now you just have to know your hex code in advance and hope that it looks good after you finalize it. (since it cant be edited)

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12-22-2015, 11:48 PM
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Pretty sure its a Moderator only thing. I could be mistaken though. Perhaps its even a level thing.

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12-23-2015, 12:52 AM
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Neither. I think it based on the hex or code given before creation. I know most board do such like this. Though if it's based on a user's power, either this should be given to an active group based on a sole administrator reward to said group of let us edit them when we created them.
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12-23-2015, 05:03 AM
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It's a feature hardcoded into the site. Hence, it's not really available only to moderators, but rather the admins and those who ask for it. Since it's a css-related option, it can also easily be achieved using Stylish plugin.
All it really is is a gif running in the background. No more, no less. Regarding your other question, Eurobeat group has separate text and group banner colors. And there are plenty more effects - anything you can do with text in css, can be done to the group, or you can simply find/make a gif with transparent background like the sparkles. Not saying it will be implemented, since it relies on senpai, but you might as well try asking.

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12-23-2015, 05:04 AM
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>>32142

I think having rewards for having an active/hq group would be a good idea since it promotes activity of the site and we have a lot of dead groups atm which sucks.
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12-23-2015, 10:35 PM
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>>32176
> >>32142
>  
>  we have a lot of dead groups atm which sucks.

I think one of the main reasons for this is the current layout of the forum. Group forums are hidden away in a second tab that isn't very noticable, so the only other way you can see these posts is through the Latest Posts section at the bottom of the forum (which doesn't show very much) or via the Unread Posts button. (which a lot of users don't even notice)

If we just reorganized the group forums to be more visible, (maybe shown together with the main forums?) then group posts would get a lot more attention. Also, there are quite a few groups with tedious steps of submitting custom applications, which in my opinion is really just a deterrent againt users that will push away the already small number of members who might have joined. The group system is already too messy and confusing as it is after you've finally joined a group. If you have to submit a fucking resume just to get in, then your group better have some top-tier perks. (like an exclusive porn stash that's too lewd for Lewd General, or something else that no other group has)

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12-23-2015, 10:43 PM
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>>32238
> >>32176
> > >>32142
> >
> > we have a lot of dead groups atm which sucks.
>
> I think one of the main reasons for this is the current layout of the forum. Group
> forums are hidden away in a second tab that isn't very noticable, so the only other
> way you can see these posts is through the Latest Posts section at the bottom of
> the forum (which doesn't show very much) or via the Unread Posts button. (which
> a lot of users don't even notice)
>
> If we just reorganized the group forums to be more visible, (maybe shown together
> with the main forums?) then group posts would get a lot more attention. Also, there
> are quite a few groups with tedious steps of submitting custom applications, which
> in my opinion is really just a deterrent againt users that will push away the already
> small number of members who might have joined. The group system is already too messy
> and confusing as it is after you've finally joined a group. If you have to submit
> a fucking resume just to get in, then your group better have some top-tier perks.
> (like an exclusive porn stash that's too lewd for Lewd General, or something else
> that no other group has)

New forum theme doesn't have tabs, so hopefully that helps. I personally found it easier to check on groups with the new theme.

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12-23-2015, 11:17 PM
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(12-23-2015, 05:03 AM)Nanashi Wrote: It's a feature hardcoded into the site. Hence, it's not really available only to moderators, but rather the admins and those who ask for it.

I've gotta say, I really don't like this setup at all. It's not that difficult to reach out to a mod, but this shouldn't be something that requires moderator action on a case-by-case basis. The reason groups exist isn't just for organizing all the off-topics that wouldn't fit into the main forum; it's also to grant some power to the group owner. The group owner gets to decide new rules that can be applied within their own group (while still abiding by the Lewd.sx rules of course) and they even get complete control over who may enter the group. (or who gets banned from the group) It's almost like being a mod, but on a smaller scale.

My point with this is that the entire process of creating and customizing your group should be something that the group owner is able to do independently. If we have secret forum features available only by mod request, and that becomes public knowledge, then every time a new group gets made we'll just add more to the mod work load with such requests. It just makes way more sense to take this out of the mod's hands and into the user's.

As it is now, we've basically got a treasure vault of pretty features, but we lack the functions necessary to actually use them.

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12-24-2015, 12:59 AM
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>>32245
>
> I've gotta say, I really don't like this setup at all. It's not that difficult to
> reach out to a mod, but this shouldn't be something that requires moderator action
> on a case-by-case basis. The reason groups exist isn't just for organizing all the
> off-topics that wouldn't fit into the main forum; it's also to grant some power
> to the group owner. The group owner gets to decide new rules that can be applied
> within their own group (while still abiding by the Lewd.sx rules of course) and
> they even get complete control over who may enter the group. (or who gets banned
> from the group) It's almost like being a mod, but on a smaller scale.
>
> My point with this is that the entire process of creating and customizing your group
> should be something that the group owner is able to do independently. If we have
> secret forum features available only by mod request, and that becomes public knowledge,
> then every time a new group gets made we'll just add more to the mod work load with
> such requests. It just makes way more sense to take this out of the mod's hands
> and into the user's.
>
> As it is now, we've basically got a treasure vault of pretty features, but we lack
> the functions necessary to actually use them.

I disagree on giving certain things to users. Being able to mix-match colors, and sparkly usernames and stars are things I feel should not be given out willy nilly. Otherwise they'll hold zero value. Someone above suggested these types of things be given to groups which hold an active userbase, and I like that idea. Some groups are created for the sole purpose of looking pretty, and having a cool userbar, without having that active of a group. But, I think sparklies and mixed colors should be offered as customization options for groups who are active, as a way to set them apart, and to promote the healthy activity the group is receiving.

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12-24-2015, 05:44 AM (This post was last modified: 12-24-2015, 05:45 AM by CompaIsMyWaifu.)
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>>32252
> >>32245
>  >
>  > I've gotta say, I really don't like this setup at all. It's not that difficult
>  to
>  > reach out to a mod, but this shouldn't be something that requires moderator action
>  > on a case-by-case basis. The reason groups exist isn't just for organizing all
>  the
>  > off-topics that wouldn't fit into the main forum; it's also to grant some power
>  > to the group owner. The group owner gets to decide new rules that can be applied
>  > within their own group (while still abiding by the Lewd.sx rules of course) and
>  > they even get complete control over who may enter the group. (or who gets banned
>  > from the group) It's almost like being a mod, but on a smaller scale.
>  >
>  > My point with this is that the entire process of creating and customizing your
>  group
>  > should be something that the group owner is able to do independently. If we have
>  > secret forum features available only by mod request, and that becomes public knowledge,
>  > then every time a new group gets made we'll just add more to the mod work load
>  with
>  > such requests. It just makes way more sense to take this out of the mod's hands
>  > and into the user's.
>  >
>  > As it is now, we've basically got a treasure vault of pretty features, but we
>  lack
>  > the functions necessary to actually use them.
>  
>  I disagree on giving certain things to users. Being able to mix-match colors, and
>  sparkly usernames and stars are things I feel should not be given out willy nilly.
>  Otherwise they'll hold zero value. Someone above suggested these types of things
>  be given to groups which hold an active userbase, and I like that idea. Some groups
>  are created for the sole purpose of looking pretty, and having a cool userbar, without
>  having that active of a group. But, I think sparklies and mixed colors should be
>  offered as customization options for groups who are active, as a way to set them
>  apart, and to promote the healthy activity the group is receiving.

I'd be fine if it was something earned through a group ranking system, I still see that as giving power to the users as opposed to just trying to get mod approval for some flair. I just think it's really weird that these features exist at all right now if they're only being handed out when a mod chooses to, without any real regulation on what qualifies to earn it. It's spontaneous and inconsistent, and I see a lot of room for improvement.

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12-24-2015, 08:15 AM
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basically there was only meant to be one group with the sparkles, then rii for some reason made another group with sparkles, then made a group and wanted sparkles.

what i wanna do is award active (and high quality - as determined by me) groups with sparkles.

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12-25-2015, 11:41 PM
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(12-23-2015, 11:17 PM)CompaIsMyWaifu Wrote:
(12-23-2015, 05:03 AM)Nanashi Wrote: It's a feature hardcoded into the site. Hence, it's not really available only to moderators, but rather the admins and those who ask for it.

I've gotta say, I really don't like this setup at all. It's not that difficult to reach out to a mod, but this shouldn't be something that requires moderator action on a case-by-case basis. The reason groups exist isn't just for organizing all the off-topics that wouldn't fit into the main forum; it's also to grant some power to the group owner. The group owner gets to decide new rules that can be applied within their own group (while still abiding by the Lewd.sx rules of course) and they even get complete control over who may enter the group. (or who gets banned from the group) It's almost like being a mod, but on a smaller scale.

My point with this is that the entire process of creating and customizing your group should be something that the group owner is able to do independently. If we have secret forum features available only by mod request, and that becomes public knowledge, then every time a new group gets made we'll just add more to the mod work load with such requests. It just makes way more sense to take this out of the mod's hands and into the user's.

As it is now, we've basically got a treasure vault of pretty features, but we lack the functions necessary to actually use them.

I am personally particularly upset that group leaders don't have a way to moderate their own subforum. Giving at least the group owner power over their subforum would take a lot of potential work out of forum staff's hands since they don't have to help with group subforums anywhere near as often.

I asked you to do something about this before, @Senpai, but I don't remember what your response was. I'll ask again. Please allow group owners to moderate their subforums.

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12-26-2015, 12:28 AM
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the current system mybb has setup for letting people moderate specific subforums is dumb, i need to put some time into making something that isn't a nightmare to maintain.