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02-14-2015, 01:06 AM
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ITT: We discuss religion.

Responses I want:

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In this thread I will posit my theory on God and Satan, I will place logical stand points and call out flaws in their nature. This is the last religion thread I will need to do, if I do more it would be for the sheer fun of it.

Satan vs God


God has always had a never ending war with Satan and rightfully so he cannot get rid of him, and how do I know God can never defeat Satan? Think about it, even if he could overpower him which will not happen, it wouldn't be a very plausible move or even a wise one at best. Satan even if you hate him, is the one that makes Christianity, and all those religions move and not die off with extreme lethargy, he is the one that makes the religion have motion. How? For centuries, the villain has always been the unspoken hero, thanks to him, the “hero” has a purpose and let's say Batman never had any enemies, let's remove all the criminals and big notable enemies like the Joker and so on, what will Batman do? Why would Batman need to be a hero? No answer what so ever. The point is, God will not be God if Satan wasn't there.

What is the bible to a Satanist?

All the bible is a how-to-guide to be a sheep, a dependent human being and above all how to fear and combat “Satan's temptation” these are just minimal themes, I full well know the bible are just stories to help you be a better person, or just over-simplistic essays on what they think is God. A better beginning to the bible would be “Once upon a time” that phrase would have destroyed it from being taken serious and the real title should have been, instead of “The Holy Bible” it should have been “How to abandon critical thinking for dummies”

Is God the real good guy or is it Satan?

Now what is temptation? It is something you like to do but you are not allowed to do it, but who tempts you? Satan or your animal instincts? We are animals and no matter how many times the church or Pastors say that we are created in God's image that will never change. Onto the point, Satan never tempts you, he sets you free. Have you noticed that Christianity is just another mind-control device created by a power-hungry baboon? Hate my reality check, Christianity forces you to destroy everything you are and hope to be in hopes of being admitted to an unprovable and nonfactual place. You spend your life looking out for what you say, think and do so that God would love you and if you fail, like you will you burn in hell for eternity. While Satan teaches you how to use your brain, sure, intelligence leads to questioning, and questioning is considered as the Devil's language in Christianity so all hints of doubt are immediately eradicated by sanctimonious pricks and violent bible thumpers, when a Satanist, notices you with doubt he tells you and recommends that you go on a personal searching journey and find out if X religion is right for you. One is influenced by God and the other by Satan.


Now what does Satan have different than God? Let's go over a list.

Satan does not!!
  • Want you to praise him
  • Want you to be a slave of your own doing
  • Want you to be stupid
  • Want you to deny your nature
  • Want you to humiliate yourself to a cruel and mentally ill deity
  • Want you to be miserable
  • Want you to fail in any life ambition
  • Want you to be lazy and unproductive

These are the traits he actually has if you read the Bible and the Satanic Bible.

Look, we all know Satan is by far smarter than God, why? He doesn't punish you for failing like God does, all he asks is for you to learn from your mistake instead of begging for forgiveness and having a clear conscience without no actual remorse. You can deny and fight all you want but, God forcing you to repent and humiliate so that you can commit the same mistake again, with that logic and structure you spend 89% of your day smashing your head in the ground and screaming for God to forgive you for being imperfect like he “created” you. Satan is the actual kind and understanding one.

What if God is actually the evil one?

Yes he is, he punishes and judges you for being imperfect, meaning he is not only a rampant idiot because imperfection is his fault, but he is a very arrogant and self-centered deity, not to mention his complete jealousy and hypocrisy. What if he created you with imperfection so that he can still be superior to you? If he made you perfect then what would be the difference between you and God? Nothing. He had to stay superior so he created you with a never-ending ignorance. “Oh but Adam and Eve were the one's responsible for the imperfection” No they weren't. If they were really perfect why would they fall under temptation? They were weak minded and ignorant, those are not the traits of a perfect human being. Not to mention that he foresaw everything according to your bible.

God throws a fit every time you idolize somebody and not him, meaning he is selfish and childish, and a wrathful deity, and that makes him a sinner, because wrath and Envy are sins. You cannot idolize anybody! Which means he is greedy! Remember that, your savior is not perfect. He is a compulsive liar too, he claims to be perfect and he is the one you need to love, when he himself has sinned, and he knows he has sinned. Not only he lies but he has a colossal ego, he wants you to love him more than your family and that he is the only thing you are allowed to follow. Hmm.. God is starting to look more and more like a egotistical human more than a all knowing deity now does he?

Disproving God and Satan

You know I have never made these claims because God and Satan are not something you can prove but, this is my shot. Now if you had read my 4th segment of the thread I pointed out some of the million flaws the theory of God has, and it turned out like he was more of a human than a perfect deity, due to his sins and jealousy, this is the full blown truth. God is man's externalized ego, he is everything man can't be, and does everything man can't do, since he was created by a man's carnal brain he is bound to have severe imperfections because not even the Universe is perfect, Satan is that person's reality check, since he externalized his deepest desires and elevated his ego into an anthropomorphic deity, Satan plays the role of reality. That mentioned reality is, “you are fooling yourself, you are just a human, embrace your humanity instead of putting all your strength in trying to eradicate it”. That to the man that created God, tasted like shit so Satan (Reality) became his mortal enemy, and a part of him. That is why God and Satan are in the same coin and are the same person. In the right hand you have fantasy, and on the left hand you have intelligence and reality. People hate intelligent people, because they make them feel insecure and inferior, so the path of fantasy is and always will be followed more, hence why Christianity will always have a bigger base than Satanism, not to mention Satanism is not and never will be a religion for the masses. Not everybody has the strength and independence to lead themselves and be more than they were yesterday.

Conclusion

We can bicker back and forth all day, but in the end you will find out that what you based your whole life in is nothing but a carnal lie. A very bad created lie, made for gullible and weak minded human beings. Why do you think there is something called a “Pastor” so he can herd all you bunch of ignorant sheep, that is what the title “pastor” implies. The title father implies “let me force you my rules and shape you into a false sense of security while taking advantage of your ignorance” that is correct, Religion is just a huge insult to the follower. Deep down you know for a fact that you doubt God at times, you know that the truth has never set anyone free, only doubt causes mental emancipation. I want you to embrace that doubt and explore other things, if you doubt something it means you know something is not right. That is your own repressed intelligence telling you that you are being taken for a ride, get off the roller coaster and walk.

I want to apologize if I was very cruel and straight forward with my way of presenting the truth, I know that there are nicer ways to say stuff but, when peace doesn't work then violence is the ultimate cure. Consider me the messenger of Satan if you chose to deny the points I have posted and if I turn to be completely wrong and God does exist I will solely accept Satan as my lord and savior.

Disclaimer: When I called all religious people idiots, I never meant it in a “Oh you have 3 chromosomes” way, I meant it in a “I am smart but, I rather follow the easier path and become a sheep” anybody who willingly becomes a sheep is not smart because you are following everything instead of using your intelligence to carve a new path and lead the clueless.

source: Evangelist's "Aura | Twisting, Turning, and Destroying." thread on sl

Responses I don't want:

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there is no god stop worshiping a dead kike

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i dont care about religion trololololo

My point is, don't make LQ posts in this thread.
Go ahead, ask some questions, and talk about religion.

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ITT: Discuss how you're more right than anyone else.
That's more like it

I'm a confirmed Catholic.

Your post does not deserve to be in an educated discussion, or any alone. You say no LQ posts, but what is yours? Self-indulging, trying to sound superior. Did it make you happy to type all of that?


“I am smart but, I rather follow the easier path and become a sheep”
Fuck you tbh, I had to learn all about my religion to become confirmed. You're not allowed to generalize when trying to have an educated discussion.

"Satan even if you hate him, is the one that makes Christianity."
Is this a joke? In all of the pages of the bible, and all of the ideas that encompass Christianity, this one idea of Satan/Lucifer makes Christianity. The Ten Commandments, Beatitudes, sins, morals, and other ethics that the Church teaches stands no ground in comparison to Satan? The Bible is not a book about the battle between God and Satan. The majority isn't at all.

"The title father implies 'let me force you my rules and shape you into a false sense of security while taking advantage of your ignorance'"
Force
Generalization. Who is being forced? That would imply me as well. Oh! I had no idea I was being forced! If anything, it's influence. I choose to be like this. I love how you are throwing around the word "ignorance" like you know everything there is to know about religion. You don't. No one does. What is ignorant are people with closed minds that can't open up to discussions and think they're way of thinking is absolute. That's what you think of me? Good job. I have studied a lot about different religions and I think a lot of them are interesting. How am I ignorant? I'm not calling anyone wrong.


"'Oh but Adam and Eve were the one's responsible for the imperfection' No they weren't. If they were really perfect why would they fall under temptation?"
Does the Bible say they were created perfect? They were created without sin. He gave them free will, and Satan tempted Eve. We're all independent and we're allowed to choose our paths, and God doesn't directly interfere with our lives. We can just look to religion to try and be how he wants us to. We're allowed to choose that.

Everything in your post is speculation, no hard facts or evidence and you're presenting your opinions as facts. That's amazing. I could never prove that my religion is right, but I can provide the reasons in why I wish to follow it. Anyone can believe what they want as long as it doesn't harm or impede on others. There are so many quotes I could take from your post to defend, but I don't really want to. Believe what you want.

When making discussions on religion, every educated person knows that you aren't trying to persuade the audience on what is right, but to discuss. I hope you realize that. I also hope you realize "religion" isn't a straight edged sword with two sides. It's not only Atheism and Christianity. Take all of the other ones into consideration as well. You sound so superior in your post, it's super annoying. It's like you think you are in the right. I love it.

I'm not going to reply to this again because it doesn't even matter. I said what I have to say already.
Like I know what's right. I don't.
There is no uniform morality.


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(02-15-2015, 07:51 PM)Hentai Wrote: ITT: Discuss how you're more right than anyone else.
That's more like it

I'm a confirmed Catholic.

Your post does not deserve to be in an educated discussion, or any alone. You say no LQ posts, but what is yours? Self-indulging, trying to sound superior. Did it make you happy to type all of that?


“I am smart but, I rather follow the easier path and become a sheep”
Fuck you tbh, I had to learn all about my religion to become confirmed. You're not allowed to generalize when trying to have an educated discussion.

"Satan even if you hate him, is the one that makes Christianity."
Is this a joke? In all of the pages of the bible, and all of the ideas that encompass Christianity, this one idea of Satan/Lucifer makes Christianity. The Ten Commandments, Beatitudes, sins, morals, and other ethics that the Church teaches stands no ground in comparison to Satan? The Bible is not a book about the battle between God and Satan. The majority isn't at all.

"The title father implies 'let me force you my rules and shape you into a false sense of security while taking advantage of your ignorance'"
Force
Generalization. Who is being forced? That would imply me as well. Oh! I had no idea I was being forced! If anything, it's influence. I choose to be like this. I love how you are throwing around the word "ignorance" like you know everything there is to know about religion. You don't. No one does. What is ignorant are people with closed minds that can't open up to discussions and think they're way of thinking is absolute. That's what you think of me? Good job. I have studied a lot about different religions and I think a lot of them are interesting. How am I ignorant? I'm not calling anyone wrong.


"'Oh but Adam and Eve were the one's responsible for the imperfection' No they weren't. If they were really perfect why would they fall under temptation?"
Does the Bible say they were created perfect? They were created without sin. He gave them free will, and Satan tempted Eve. We're all independent and we're allowed to choose our paths, and God doesn't directly interfere with our lives. We can just look to religion to try and be how he wants us to. We're allowed to choose that.

Everything in your post is speculation, no hard facts or evidence and you're presenting your opinions as facts. That's amazing. I could never prove that my religion is right, but I can provide the reasons in why I wish to follow it. Anyone can believe what they want as long as it doesn't harm or impede on others. There are so many quotes I could take from your post to defend, but I don't really want to. Believe what you want.

When making discussions on religion, every educated person knows that you aren't trying to persuade the audience on what is right, but to discuss. I hope you realize that. I also hope you realize "religion" isn't a straight edged sword with two sides. It's not only Atheism and Christianity. Take all of the other ones into consideration as well. You sound so superior in your post, it's super annoying. It's like you think you are in the right. I love it.

I'm not going to reply to this again because it doesn't even matter. I said what I have to say already.
Like I know what's right. I don't.
There is no uniform morality.


That giant block of text was not mine, neither did I agree with its content.
Nice post, though.

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Verses on Salvation:

Romans 3:23-24
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Romans 3:9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 10:9
That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

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Religion pisses me off, I view it as a thing that helpless and/or hopeless people cling onto to find a way to live. I don't doubt there's a god, I don't doubt there's a devil. But at the same time, I don't think there's one. My views on religion are really mixed and confused. I've thought about religion way too many times than I should have. I'm a so-called "atheist" but I don't want anything to do with religion, I don't really view myself as an athiest, because in actuality, it's still a religion. If God made everything. Who made God? And if God made himself, if that was possible, wouldn't the universe be able to make itself as well? Think about it.
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(08-04-2015, 09:59 PM)Kaneki Wrote: Religion pisses me off, I view it as a thing that helpless and/or hopeless people cling onto to find a way to live. I don't doubt there's a god, I don't doubt there's a devil. But at the same time, I don't think there's one. My views on religion are really mixed and confused. I've thought about religion way too many times than I should have. I'm a so-called "atheist" but I don't want anything to do with religion, I don't really view myself as an athiest, because in actuality, it's still a religion. If God made everything. Who made God? And if God made himself, if that was possible, wouldn't the universe be able to make itself as well? Think about it.

>Who made God?


John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Your reasoning leads to "who created the creator, and who created the creator of whom created the creator? who created him? who created him? who created him?"

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(08-04-2015, 10:20 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 09:59 PM)Kaneki Wrote: Religion pisses me off, I view it as a thing that helpless and/or hopeless people cling onto to find a way to live. I don't doubt there's a god, I don't doubt there's a devil. But at the same time, I don't think there's one. My views on religion are really mixed and confused. I've thought about religion way too many times than I should have. I'm a so-called "atheist" but I don't want anything to do with religion, I don't really view myself as an athiest, because in actuality, it's still a religion. If God made everything. Who made God? And if God made himself, if that was possible, wouldn't the universe be able to make itself as well? Think about it.

>Who made God?


John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Your reasoning leads to "who created the creator, and who created the creator of whom created the creator? who created him? who created him? who created him?"

And honestly, that's a valid reason. Because something can't be created without a creator. Someone invented the internet, someone invented manga, someone invented drinking water, someone invented soda, someone invented the food we eat. Something can't exist without a creator, and that's the bottom line. Even the language we speak have creators. Which also brings to another point, how did God even communicate without a language invented?
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(08-04-2015, 10:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:20 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 09:59 PM)Kaneki Wrote: Religion pisses me off, I view it as a thing that helpless and/or hopeless people cling onto to find a way to live. I don't doubt there's a god, I don't doubt there's a devil. But at the same time, I don't think there's one. My views on religion are really mixed and confused. I've thought about religion way too many times than I should have. I'm a so-called "atheist" but I don't want anything to do with religion, I don't really view myself as an athiest, because in actuality, it's still a religion. If God made everything. Who made God? And if God made himself, if that was possible, wouldn't the universe be able to make itself as well? Think about it.

>Who made God?


John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Your reasoning leads to "who created the creator, and who created the creator of whom created the creator? who created him? who created him? who created him?"

And honestly, that's a valid reason. Because something can't be created without a creator. Someone invented the internet, someone invented manga, someone invented drinking water, someone invented soda, someone invented the food we eat. Something can't exist without a creator, and that's the bottom line. Even the language we speak have creators. Which also brings to another point, how did God even communicate without a language invented?

At some point, we need something or someone who has always been here.

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(08-04-2015, 10:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:20 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 09:59 PM)Kaneki Wrote: Religion pisses me off, I view it as a thing that helpless and/or hopeless people cling onto to find a way to live. I don't doubt there's a god, I don't doubt there's a devil. But at the same time, I don't think there's one. My views on religion are really mixed and confused. I've thought about religion way too many times than I should have. I'm a so-called "atheist" but I don't want anything to do with religion, I don't really view myself as an athiest, because in actuality, it's still a religion. If God made everything. Who made God? And if God made himself, if that was possible, wouldn't the universe be able to make itself as well? Think about it.

>Who made God?


John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Your reasoning leads to "who created the creator, and who created the creator of whom created the creator? who created him? who created him? who created him?"

And honestly, that's a valid reason. Because something can't be created without a creator. Someone invented the internet, someone invented manga, someone invented drinking water, someone invented soda, someone invented the food we eat. Something can't exist without a creator, and that's the bottom line. Even the language we speak have creators. Which also brings to another point, how did God even communicate without a language invented?

Nature was not invented and neither were base chemicals and lifeforms.

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(08-04-2015, 10:24 PM)Saikou Wrote: At some point, we need something or someone who has always been here.

ilu Sai sai, but no. No we don't.
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(08-04-2015, 10:24 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:20 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 09:59 PM)Kaneki Wrote: Religion pisses me off, I view it as a thing that helpless and/or hopeless people cling onto to find a way to live. I don't doubt there's a god, I don't doubt there's a devil. But at the same time, I don't think there's one. My views on religion are really mixed and confused. I've thought about religion way too many times than I should have. I'm a so-called "atheist" but I don't want anything to do with religion, I don't really view myself as an athiest, because in actuality, it's still a religion. If God made everything. Who made God? And if God made himself, if that was possible, wouldn't the universe be able to make itself as well? Think about it.

>Who made God?


John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Your reasoning leads to "who created the creator, and who created the creator of whom created the creator? who created him? who created him? who created him?"

And honestly, that's a valid reason. Because something can't be created without a creator. Someone invented the internet, someone invented manga, someone invented drinking water, someone invented soda, someone invented the food we eat. Something can't exist without a creator, and that's the bottom line. Even the language we speak have creators. Which also brings to another point, how did God even communicate without a language invented?

At some point, we need something or someone who has always been here.

Right. And who was here before God? And who was here before that person. Same thing with a creator. Your point is leading to a dead end. No one knows what is out there beyond what we know. We non-believers don't even know what created us, or what created the creator. But something can't just appear out of no where like the Bible says. These gases had to have been created by something. The universe had to be created by something, our skin had to be created by something. The creator had to have a creator. You can't have a person just appear out of nowhere.
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(08-04-2015, 10:27 PM)Waifu Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:20 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 09:59 PM)Kaneki Wrote: Religion pisses me off, I view it as a thing that helpless and/or hopeless people cling onto to find a way to live. I don't doubt there's a god, I don't doubt there's a devil. But at the same time, I don't think there's one. My views on religion are really mixed and confused. I've thought about religion way too many times than I should have. I'm a so-called "atheist" but I don't want anything to do with religion, I don't really view myself as an athiest, because in actuality, it's still a religion. If God made everything. Who made God? And if God made himself, if that was possible, wouldn't the universe be able to make itself as well? Think about it.

>Who made God?


John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Your reasoning leads to "who created the creator, and who created the creator of whom created the creator? who created him? who created him? who created him?"

And honestly, that's a valid reason. Because something can't be created without a creator. Someone invented the internet, someone invented manga, someone invented drinking water, someone invented soda, someone invented the food we eat. Something can't exist without a creator, and that's the bottom line. Even the language we speak have creators. Which also brings to another point, how did God even communicate without a language invented?

Nature was not invented and neither were base chemicals and lifeforms.

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(08-04-2015, 10:24 PM)Saikou Wrote: At some point, we need something or someone who has always been here.

ilu Sai sai, but no. No we don't.

Not really. Invention and making something goes hand in hand, it's the same thing. If these chemicals and lifeforms weren't made by something, they wouldn't exist. Again, you can't have something magically appear.
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08-04-2015, 10:34 PM
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(08-04-2015, 10:32 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:27 PM)Waifu Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:20 PM)Saikou Wrote: >Who made God?

John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Your reasoning leads to "who created the creator, and who created the creator of whom created the creator? who created him? who created him? who created him?"

And honestly, that's a valid reason. Because something can't be created without a creator. Someone invented the internet, someone invented manga, someone invented drinking water, someone invented soda, someone invented the food we eat. Something can't exist without a creator, and that's the bottom line. Even the language we speak have creators. Which also brings to another point, how did God even communicate without a language invented?

Nature was not invented and neither were base chemicals and lifeforms.

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(08-04-2015, 10:24 PM)Saikou Wrote: At some point, we need something or someone who has always been here.

ilu Sai sai, but no. No we don't.

Not really. Invention and making something goes hand in hand, it's the same thing. If these chemicals and lifeforms weren't made by something, they wouldn't exist. Again, you can't have something magically appear.

I have no idea what you mean by this, but let's roll something out;
in·ven·tion
inˈven(t)SH(É)n/
noun
noun: invention
the action of inventing something, typically a process or device.
"the invention of printing in the 15th century"

Invention is not the same as creating in every aspect. Are you saying that the decay of a mountain invented the boulder residue?
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(08-04-2015, 10:29 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:24 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:20 PM)Saikou Wrote: >Who made God?

John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Your reasoning leads to "who created the creator, and who created the creator of whom created the creator? who created him? who created him? who created him?"

And honestly, that's a valid reason. Because something can't be created without a creator. Someone invented the internet, someone invented manga, someone invented drinking water, someone invented soda, someone invented the food we eat. Something can't exist without a creator, and that's the bottom line. Even the language we speak have creators. Which also brings to another point, how did God even communicate without a language invented?

At some point, we need something or someone who has always been here.

Right. And who was here before God? And who was here before that person. Same thing with a creator. Your point is leading to a dead end. No one knows what is out there beyond what we know. We non-believers don't even know what created us, or what created the creator. But something can't just appear out of no where like the Bible says. These gases had to have been created by something. The universe had to be created by something, our skin had to be created by something. The creator had to have a creator. You can't have a person just appear out of nowhere.

>And who was here before God?


I'll just go ahead and copy this from my previous post:

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

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08-04-2015, 10:38 PM
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(08-04-2015, 10:34 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:29 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:24 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote: And honestly, that's a valid reason. Because something can't be created without a creator. Someone invented the internet, someone invented manga, someone invented drinking water, someone invented soda, someone invented the food we eat. Something can't exist without a creator, and that's the bottom line. Even the language we speak have creators. Which also brings to another point, how did God even communicate without a language invented?

At some point, we need something or someone who has always been here.

Right. And who was here before God? And who was here before that person. Same thing with a creator. Your point is leading to a dead end. No one knows what is out there beyond what we know. We non-believers don't even know what created us, or what created the creator. But something can't just appear out of no where like the Bible says. These gases had to have been created by something. The universe had to be created by something, our skin had to be created by something. The creator had to have a creator. You can't have a person just appear out of nowhere.

>And who was here before God?


I'll just go ahead and copy this from my previous post:

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Kaneki is correct in the meaning that before the Big Bang, there was presumably nothing at all. A void. In every literal sense where calling it a vacuum would do it injustice. What entity would be capable of living under these conditions that doesn't defy all possible logic and isn't forced to resort to 'magic'.
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(08-04-2015, 10:34 PM)Waifu Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:32 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:27 PM)Waifu Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote: And honestly, that's a valid reason. Because something can't be created without a creator. Someone invented the internet, someone invented manga, someone invented drinking water, someone invented soda, someone invented the food we eat. Something can't exist without a creator, and that's the bottom line. Even the language we speak have creators. Which also brings to another point, how did God even communicate without a language invented?

Nature was not invented and neither were base chemicals and lifeforms.

/thread

(08-04-2015, 10:24 PM)Saikou Wrote: At some point, we need something or someone who has always been here.

ilu Sai sai, but no. No we don't.

Not really. Invention and making something goes hand in hand, it's the same thing. If these chemicals and lifeforms weren't made by something, they wouldn't exist. Again, you can't have something magically appear.

I have no idea what you mean by this, but let's roll something out;
in·ven·tion
inˈven(t)SH(É)n/
noun
noun: invention
the action of inventing something, typically a process or device.
"the invention of printing in the 15th century"

Invention is not the same as creating in every aspect. Are you saying that the decay of a mountain invented the boulder residue?

Well, okay invention and making something go hand in hand most of the time, there are times where it doesn't. But, if you're saying that the mountain made the residue, yes, it did. The mountain might not have invented that residue but it did make it.
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(08-04-2015, 10:40 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:34 PM)Waifu Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:32 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:27 PM)Waifu Wrote: Nature was not invented and neither were base chemicals and lifeforms.

/thread


ilu Sai sai, but no. No we don't.

Not really. Invention and making something goes hand in hand, it's the same thing. If these chemicals and lifeforms weren't made by something, they wouldn't exist. Again, you can't have something magically appear.

I have no idea what you mean by this, but let's roll something out;
in·ven·tion
inˈven(t)SH(É)n/
noun
noun: invention
the action of inventing something, typically a process or device.
"the invention of printing in the 15th century"

Invention is not the same as creating in every aspect. Are you saying that the decay of a mountain invented the boulder residue?

Well, okay invention and making something go hand in hand most of the time, there are times where it doesn't. But, if you're saying that the mountain made the residue, yes, it did. The mountain might not have invented that residue but it did make it.

Why didn't the wind and humidity that chunked the mountain make it?

Now I'm just bullying you though. The point I'm just trying to get across is that intelligent design is not the only answer.
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(08-04-2015, 10:34 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:29 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:24 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote: And honestly, that's a valid reason. Because something can't be created without a creator. Someone invented the internet, someone invented manga, someone invented drinking water, someone invented soda, someone invented the food we eat. Something can't exist without a creator, and that's the bottom line. Even the language we speak have creators. Which also brings to another point, how did God even communicate without a language invented?

At some point, we need something or someone who has always been here.

Right. And who was here before God? And who was here before that person. Same thing with a creator. Your point is leading to a dead end. No one knows what is out there beyond what we know. We non-believers don't even know what created us, or what created the creator. But something can't just appear out of no where like the Bible says. These gases had to have been created by something. The universe had to be created by something, our skin had to be created by something. The creator had to have a creator. You can't have a person just appear out of nowhere.

>And who was here before God?


I'll just go ahead and copy this from my previous post:

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

You seem to have avoided the rest of my post. I'm not saying who created God anymore. I'm saying who created this ENTIRE thing. Because like I said in my other posts, a creator needs a creator. The word of God needed a creator, and that creator needed a creator. Pretty much how every website needs code to function. That code made that website, that website was made by the person who wrote the code, that code was made by the person who invented that code. So who/what invented this entire thing? Because if God was the first one, I want to know how he magically appeared out of no where.
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(08-04-2015, 10:41 PM)Waifu Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:40 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:34 PM)Waifu Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:32 PM)Kaneki Wrote: Not really. Invention and making something goes hand in hand, it's the same thing. If these chemicals and lifeforms weren't made by something, they wouldn't exist. Again, you can't have something magically appear.

I have no idea what you mean by this, but let's roll something out;
in·ven·tion
inˈven(t)SH(É)n/
noun
noun: invention
the action of inventing something, typically a process or device.
"the invention of printing in the 15th century"

Invention is not the same as creating in every aspect. Are you saying that the decay of a mountain invented the boulder residue?

Well, okay invention and making something go hand in hand most of the time, there are times where it doesn't. But, if you're saying that the mountain made the residue, yes, it did. The mountain might not have invented that residue but it did make it.

Why didn't the wind and humidity that chunked the mountain make it?

Now I'm just bullying you though. The point I'm just trying to get across is that intelligent design is not the only answer.

Haha. I can understand that. And I see where you're coming from.
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(08-04-2015, 10:44 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:34 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:29 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:24 PM)Saikou Wrote: At some point, we need something or someone who has always been here.

Right. And who was here before God? And who was here before that person. Same thing with a creator. Your point is leading to a dead end. No one knows what is out there beyond what we know. We non-believers don't even know what created us, or what created the creator. But something can't just appear out of no where like the Bible says. These gases had to have been created by something. The universe had to be created by something, our skin had to be created by something. The creator had to have a creator. You can't have a person just appear out of nowhere.

>And who was here before God?


I'll just go ahead and copy this from my previous post:

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

You seem to have avoided the rest of my post. I'm not saying who created God anymore. I'm saying who created this ENTIRE thing. Because like I said in my other posts, a creator needs a creator. The word of God needed a creator, and that creator needed a creator. Pretty much how every website needs code to function. That code made that website, that website was made by the person who wrote the code, that code was made by the person who invented that code. So who/what invented this entire thing? Because if God was the first one, I want to know how he magically appeared out of no where.

God has existed from the beginning. God was not created by anyone. God was the one who created this entire thing.

>I want to know how he magically appeared out of no where.

God did not "magically appear out of nowhere"; He has always been here.

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(08-04-2015, 11:10 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:44 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:34 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:29 PM)Kaneki Wrote: Right. And who was here before God? And who was here before that person. Same thing with a creator. Your point is leading to a dead end. No one knows what is out there beyond what we know. We non-believers don't even know what created us, or what created the creator. But something can't just appear out of no where like the Bible says. These gases had to have been created by something. The universe had to be created by something, our skin had to be created by something. The creator had to have a creator. You can't have a person just appear out of nowhere.

>And who was here before God?


I'll just go ahead and copy this from my previous post:

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

You seem to have avoided the rest of my post. I'm not saying who created God anymore. I'm saying who created this ENTIRE thing. Because like I said in my other posts, a creator needs a creator. The word of God needed a creator, and that creator needed a creator. Pretty much how every website needs code to function. That code made that website, that website was made by the person who wrote the code, that code was made by the person who invented that code. So who/what invented this entire thing? Because if God was the first one, I want to know how he magically appeared out of no where.

God has existed from the beginning. God was not created by anyone. God was the one who created this entire thing.

>I want to know how he magically appeared out of no where.

God did not "magically appear out of nowhere"; He has always been here.

Which brings me back to this: how was he here without someone creating him who created the created who created that creator?
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08-04-2015, 11:22 PM
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(08-04-2015, 11:13 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 11:10 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:44 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:34 PM)Saikou Wrote: >And who was here before God?

I'll just go ahead and copy this from my previous post:

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

You seem to have avoided the rest of my post. I'm not saying who created God anymore. I'm saying who created this ENTIRE thing. Because like I said in my other posts, a creator needs a creator. The word of God needed a creator, and that creator needed a creator. Pretty much how every website needs code to function. That code made that website, that website was made by the person who wrote the code, that code was made by the person who invented that code. So who/what invented this entire thing? Because if God was the first one, I want to know how he magically appeared out of no where.

God has existed from the beginning. God was not created by anyone. God was the one who created this entire thing.

>I want to know how he magically appeared out of no where.

God did not "magically appear out of nowhere"; He has always been here.

Which brings me back to this: how was he here without someone creating him who created the created who created that creator?

God is nothing but man's go-to source for all of their problems. God could never create humans out of its own image, because assuming that God would exist, there would be no form. So God was here because man made it be here all along, as if it were their savior.

You know the drill, my shitty two cents.

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(08-04-2015, 11:22 PM)Lokorfi Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 11:13 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 11:10 PM)Saikou Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 10:44 PM)Kaneki Wrote: You seem to have avoided the rest of my post. I'm not saying who created God anymore. I'm saying who created this ENTIRE thing. Because like I said in my other posts, a creator needs a creator. The word of God needed a creator, and that creator needed a creator. Pretty much how every website needs code to function. That code made that website, that website was made by the person who wrote the code, that code was made by the person who invented that code. So who/what invented this entire thing? Because if God was the first one, I want to know how he magically appeared out of no where.

God has existed from the beginning. God was not created by anyone. God was the one who created this entire thing.

>I want to know how he magically appeared out of no where.

God did not "magically appear out of nowhere"; He has always been here.

Which brings me back to this: how was he here without someone creating him who created the created who created that creator?

God is nothing but man's go-to source for all of their problems. God could never create humans out of its own image, because assuming that God would exist, there would be no form. So God was here because man made it be here all along, as if it were their savior.

You know the drill, my shitty two cents.

That shitty two cents thing is going to get pretty annoying if I see it in more than 10 posts.... >.>
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08-04-2015, 11:26 PM
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(08-04-2015, 11:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 11:22 PM)Lokorfi Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 11:13 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 11:10 PM)Saikou Wrote: God has existed from the beginning. God was not created by anyone. God was the one who created this entire thing.

>I want to know how he magically appeared out of no where.

God did not "magically appear out of nowhere"; He has always been here.

Which brings me back to this: how was he here without someone creating him who created the created who created that creator?

God is nothing but man's go-to source for all of their problems. God could never create humans out of its own image, because assuming that God would exist, there would be no form. So God was here because man made it be here all along, as if it were their savior.

You know the drill, my shitty two cents.

That shitty two cents thing is going to get pretty annoying if I see it in more than 10 posts.... >.>

Don't worry, I stopped doing it because I found it pretty useless as well.

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(08-04-2015, 11:26 PM)Lokorfi Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 11:23 PM)Kaneki Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 11:22 PM)Lokorfi Wrote:
(08-04-2015, 11:13 PM)Kaneki Wrote: Which brings me back to this: how was he here without someone creating him who created the created who created that creator?

God is nothing but man's go-to source for all of their problems. God could never create humans out of its own image, because assuming that God would exist, there would be no form. So God was here because man made it be here all along, as if it were their savior.

You know the drill, my shitty two cents.

That shitty two cents thing is going to get pretty annoying if I see it in more than 10 posts.... >.>

Don't worry, I stopped doing it because I found it pretty useless as well.

Yeah. Just a waste of time to type that. Anyways we're getting off topic.