[RANT] Can we PLEASE keep politics to their respective subforums?

by CompaIsMyWaifu

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09-25-2015, 12:48 PM
#19837 (26)
>>19785
> I've never seen a long discussion occur since we've had #pol and #tech channels
> in the lounge on the subjects. A few messages back and forth, sure, but it's a general
> chat, so it makes sense to not move to a new channel if you're discussing something
> for a duration of like 5 messages in lounge even if it belongs to #tech or #pol
> isn't it? Of course if people are having serious and/or long discussions on the
> matter it should absolutely be in the respective channels, but I don't see how there's
> an issue with short conversations of a few messages regarding #tech or #pol in the
> #Lounge if the topics happen to come up, which it sometimes does of course because
> it's a general discussion channel. Also #pol stuff was always pretty contained to
> #serious, nothing ever really leaked into #Lounge until the #serious channel was
> removed, and now that we have a #pol channel things should be back to the way they
> were before the removal of #serious.

Did you read the last bit? You should. Also, I don't really care if you ever saw something like that or not, I remember addressing such an issue with losi posting tech stuff in #lounge with #tech existing, justifying it with the 'nobody else was there so it's fine'. I'm trying to address this exact behavior ahead of time so it doesn't occur again.

>>19827
> The underlying issue is the fact that there are basically 0 rules in place around
> the forum, except for some subforums such as this one, where there are literally
> only one or two about not making low-quality posts.

The fact there's no FAQ, rules or anything really seems out of place, but I'm with Compa on this one. We should really establish a thread with rules once and for all so there's no doubt as to what is and what isn't allowed. I'll talk to Neko about it.

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09-25-2015, 12:50 PM (This post was last modified: 09-25-2015, 01:10 PM by Saikou.)
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(09-25-2015, 08:11 AM)CompaIsMyWaifu Wrote: >>19714
> >>19695
>  >  I am fucking sick of seeing all this anti-liberal, anti-Democrat, white supremacist
>  >  propaganda in the Slack/Discord chatrooms.
>  > Almost every time I see you in the chat, you are slandering liberals, blacks,
>  immigrants or pretty
>  >  much anyone that tends to lean to the political left.
>  
>  What?

Wow. So this whole thing matters so little to you that you won't even give anything more than 1-2 word responses. (one of which you have already removed) I expected better from you Saikou, especially since you love to spark political debate so much. I was anticipating an actual defense, but you don't seem to care about putting any real thought into serious discussion right now. (Rather ironic in my opinion, seeing as we are in the Serious Discussion board)

On both Slack and Discord, there have been far too many occasions for me to count where I've seen you openly attacking either a race, religion, or political party/view, and seeming quite proud of it. I really don't feel like digging through the entire chat history for every offense I can find, but I will show everyone exactly "what" was the final push that broke my silence:

http://i.imgur.com/pQgANyT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/efN8Pr9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5Z6994X.jpg

My interpretation of this was that you seem to think southern states (including your own state of Texas) should have been able to keep the right to enslave black people, possibly even up to this day. And on top of that, the civil rights movement to stop racial segregation and discrimination was a mistake. Then you finished up by labeling black people as "human trash."

Lincoln's abuse of power during the Civil War:
http://www.civilwarhome.com/pulito.html
Also, blacks weren't the only ones who were slaves, and whites weren't the only ones who were slave owners.

The civil rights movement had a negative impact on the black community, an IRC snippet from a few months ago:

Quote:[01:24] <~sakebug> The civil rights movement was the death of the black culture.
[01:24] <Jesus> shit
[01:24] <Jesus> that's right
[01:24] <~sakebug> They lost their drive
[01:24] <Yuyukow_> I'd argue it was more the great society
[01:24] <~sakebug> They lost their spark
[01:25] <Jesus> the civil rights act was when we finally held them up to a higher standard. we did to them what feminism did to women
[01:25] <Jesus> lel
[01:25] <~sakebug> They were incredibly upwardly mobile when they had a system that was working against them.
[01:25] <Yuyukow_> Black povery was laready droping in the late 50s early 60s before LBJ came along
[01:25] <~sakebug> Then they got spoonfed and became decadent.

>Then you finished up by labeling black people as "human trash."

Who I am calling "human trash" is the bulk of people that chant "what do we want? dead cops! when do we want it? now!" and make graffiti saying "kill a cop, save a black life" and, in rioting, destroy peoples' businesses.

https://www.rt.com/usa/312876-save-life-...-graffiti/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ington-dc/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/...usinesses/

And how exactly was I attacking anyone who leans to the political left?

(09-25-2015, 08:11 AM)CompaIsMyWaifu Wrote: >>19700
> >am fucking sick of seeing all this anti-liberal, anti-Democrat, white supremacist
>  propaganda
>  what about anti-conservative, anti-republican, anti-racist propaganda?

I only noticed just now, but do you have any idea how incredibly fucked up you sound right now? You just asked me if I'm sick of people being anti-racist. It's the year 2015, not 1950. The majority now favors putting a stop to racism. Get with the times, lithium.

>muh current year

>ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem
>appeal to popularity
wow such a great argument i'm so impressed

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09-25-2015, 02:04 PM
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>>19837
> >>19785
> > I've never seen a long discussion occur since we've had #pol and #tech channels
> > in the lounge on the subjects. A few messages back and forth, sure, but it's a
> general
> > chat, so it makes sense to not move to a new channel if you're discussing something
> > for a duration of like 5 messages in lounge even if it belongs to #tech or #pol
> > isn't it? Of course if people are having serious and/or long discussions on the
> > matter it should absolutely be in the respective channels, but I don't see how
> there's
> > an issue with short conversations of a few messages regarding #tech or #pol in
> the
> > #Lounge if the topics happen to come up, which it sometimes does of course because
> > it's a general discussion channel. Also #pol stuff was always pretty contained
> to
> > #serious, nothing ever really leaked into #Lounge until the #serious channel was
> > removed, and now that we have a #pol channel things should be back to the way
> they
> > were before the removal of #serious.
>
> Did you read the last bit? You should. Also, I don't really care if you ever saw
> something like that or not, I remember addressing such an issue with losi posting
> tech stuff in #lounge with #tech existing, justifying it with the 'nobody else was
> there so it's fine'. I'm trying to address this exact behavior ahead of time so
> it doesn't occur again.
>
> >>19827
> > The underlying issue is the fact that there are basically 0 rules in place around
> > the forum, except for some subforums such as this one, where there are literally
> > only one or two about not making low-quality posts.
>
> The fact there's no FAQ, rules or anything really seems out of place, but I'm with
> Compa on this one. We should really establish a thread with rules once and for all
> so there's no doubt as to what is and what isn't allowed. I'll talk to Neko about
> it.

Yes? I read the whole thing, it does not change what I posted at all.

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09-25-2015, 07:51 PM
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The fact that there are no rules is, in fact, relevant to this case.

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09-25-2015, 08:13 PM
#19874 (30)
I've always felt that defined rules are not needed. Pretty sure every forum's set of rules are just a list of things that one would consider common sense.

I'd break down a list of rules from another forum, but I'm busy.

If it's that much of an issue, I can make a thread titled "shit you were taught was bad in primary school" and link to that as a rules page.

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09-25-2015, 09:01 PM
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To me there's a huge gap between "language I don't like" and actual racism and biggotry. That said, Saikou is generalizing too much, and so is CompaIsMyWaifu.
Keep politics where it belongs, that includes racism and anti-racism. Just because you don't like the words used by someone doesn't mean you ought to silence them in my opinion.
I'm just stating my opinion as someone who's been a mod on similar forums before for several years (clan & community), the owner of this place has every right to enforce their own rulership and I'll abide by that. Using the words "faggot" and "nigger" is completely different from discriminating or treating someone different for being black or homosexual. Keep politics within /pol/ or threads not related to anime in ebola, not in threads pertaining to topics of no relevancy to the sort.
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09-26-2015, 02:01 AM
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>>19790
>I only noticed just now, but do you have any idea how incredibly fucked up you sound right now? You just asked me if I'm sick of people being anti-racist. It's the year 2015, not 1950. The majority now favors putting a stop to racism. Get with the times, lithium.
linear historical progression is a western-only thing, doesn't apply to the rest of humanity, really euro-centric.
Either way, it's not 1950, stalin's great purges are far behind, why bring them back?
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09-26-2015, 10:05 AM
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>>19874
> I've always felt that defined rules are not needed.

So every punishment that has ever been issued in this community has been executed based entirely on staff opinion rather than forum policy? Then how can anyone know what's going to get them banned for "being a bulli?" If you don't have any real rules in place, then enforcement will remain inconsistent indefinitely.

I've seen people get punished for all kinds of reasons on here: Homophobia, calling the community a bunch of "retards," or the infamous "cancerous weeaboo shitstains." And I'll say it again, we've even had a member get banned for comments made in private on Skype/Steam. If the above are all bannable offenses, I see no reason why repeated incidents of racism should be tolerated in public posts and chat. There are no real rules on Lewd.sx, the only rules are the ones that are decided on the spot, and if you ever get punished then it's your own fault for not having the "common sense" ahead of time.

If you want to allow the community to degenerate into another 8ch, then that's your decision. But I won't stand for this freely reigning hatred. Consider this my form of protest, Senpai. I'm done with this forum. Maybe someday you'll have the common sense to know that people won't hesitate to break rules that don't exist.

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09-26-2015, 10:48 AM
#19942 (34)
There's a difference between being mean and malicious to someone and using words that you personally dislike. No need to be a drama queen, oh well, have a good one.
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09-26-2015, 11:58 AM
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Bye Compa. I'm going to miss you lots :sob:

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09-26-2015, 12:07 PM (This post was last modified: 09-26-2015, 12:07 PM by lithium.)
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09-26-2015, 12:21 PM
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>>19875
> Using the words "faggot" and
> "nigger" is completely different from discriminating or treating someone different
> for being black or homosexual. Keep politics within /pol/ or threads not related
> to anime in ebola, not in threads pertaining to topics of no relevancy to the sort.

I'd say this is a pretty fair approach.

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09-26-2015, 01:54 PM
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Reading this thread made me feel uncomfortable, as it opened my eyes to some of the people here the the sort of things posted.

Spoiler

I agree with CompaIsMyWaifu to be honest. I see myself as one of the younger kouhai here and some of the things said are quite unsettling. The racist comments that I've just caught onto that I never understood before, and more. 
It makes me feel uncomfortable as it would others, and I don't think that's what Lewd wants to be. 

Wasn't Lewd meant to be this awesome place for 2d qts? Animu, Manga anything weeb? Heck, some (and while I haven't been able to talk about my musical interests with anyone that feels the same yet ;-;) people even love to talk about music, such as anime openings or even electronics! 
That's what I think Lewd's meant to be.
A home. <3

But... These comments darken the atmosphere of Lewd, because after all, this forum is only what the users make it, because without the users, there's no forum right? We've making this forum full of distasteful things.
I don't want the forum to be like that, but heck, I'm just some girl into music. I haven't even been here long, so you can just ignore me. ^-^
I'll put it in a spoiler box for you. <3
I don't want to be a nuisance. o/ 

I don't know what can be done about this, but if the problem is enough to make a user feel as if they should leave, then it's getting a bit bad.
... I feel as if I've said too much
pls its my opinion

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09-26-2015, 02:01 PM
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The only reason I haven't also permanently boycotted this forum is because I feel I can help push forward the changes needed

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09-26-2015, 02:21 PM
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"boycotting" an open forum until free speech is removed, is the lowest you can get.
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09-26-2015, 02:23 PM (This post was last modified: 09-26-2015, 02:27 PM by None_At_All.)
#19971 (41)
Just my two cents:

Alright, first things first, I’m a liberal. I’m also a fan of political debate and would like to think I’m fairly tolerant of opposing views, no matter how much I disagree with them.

Now, when I first saw Uzinero’s status and the politics channel in Slack, I was pretty uncomfortable. Still, I decided that I didn’t want to be very disruptive as a new member of the community, and that as a former avid user of tumblr, I needed to get thicker skin and give Uzi and Saikou the benefit of the doubt.

Now I can acknowledge that although I really, really disagree with their politics (almost to an extreme degree), I find Uzi to be a fairly reasonable guy. Cutehat is also a nice fellow and shares their politics. I don’t know Saikou well at all, but I assume he’s a decent human being.

Still, I can see how those things would put off a ton of decent people that may be somewhat interested in the community

The thing about politics in the forums outside politic-focused groups is that not only are they a very polarizing subject, but they’re alienating if you don’t belong to the majority group or have no interest in arguments or debate.

The other problem I see is that the current pol group in Discord is oversaturated with the same political views. Just like hanging out in /r/theredpill or tumblr sjw blogs or /pol/, being exposed to the same views and opinions is not good for fully fleshed open minded development of politics. It’s a breeding ground for unchallenged opinions that for obvious reasons is not healthy.

Now, it’s also partially my fault for not joining in on the conversations, but since I’m outnumbered at any angle, it’s pretty intimidating.

>>19700
Are you against ‘anti-racist propaganda’ because it’s anti-racist, because it’s propaganda, or both? Not judging, just curious.

TL; DR: I’m a liberal; politics are polarizing; let’s make a politics channel that isn’t only /pol/, and let’s keep politics where they belong.

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>>19962
> if the problem is enough to make a
> user feel as if they should leave, then it's getting a bit bad.

Agreed, to a certain extent. agreed on this case.

>>19969
> "boycotting" an open forum until free speech is removed, is the lowest you can get.

Give Compa a break, they just want to be on a set of forums that doesn't have racism or politics popping up everywhere. Attacking them personally is not very helpful at all.

In reality, all he's doing is pushing the same buttons he always has, nothing has changed. The longer he spends here, the more invested he gets, the more he forgets which life is the real one.
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09-26-2015, 02:35 PM
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>>19971
Either ban all politics, or don't ban any politics, left-wing ideas are as political as right wing ones, evne if not "propaganda".
Personal stances on anti-racist organisations aside, if you want to discuss that it's better to do it in a less hysterical context (start another thread).

Hugboxes where everyone's feelings are safeguarded are a lot worse than places with light-hearted (and probably not so much) banter.
Politics are polarising, this does not mean either position should be suppressed, if you have to do it, acting like a cunt is what should be banned, not disagreeing with affirmative action, privilege theory, or anything of the sort.
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09-26-2015, 02:40 PM
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>>19971
You're assuming personal attacks where there are none.
Criticizing actions is not criticizing people. Banning speech out of feelings is disgusting, end of.
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(09-26-2015, 02:35 PM)lithium Wrote: >>19971
Either ban all politics, or don't ban any politics, left-wing ideas are as political as right wing ones, evne if not "propaganda".
Personal stances on anti-racist organisations aside, if you want to discuss that it's better to do it in a less hysterical context (start another thread).

Hugboxes where everyone's feelings are safeguarded are a lot worse than places with light-hearted (and probably not so much) banter.
Politics are polarising, this does not mean either position should be suppressed, if you have to do it, acting like a cunt is what should be banned, not disagreeing with affirmative action, privilege theory, or anything of the sort.

I think I maybe wasn't clear. I'm in favor of banning all politics that aren't in ebola or politics threads.

EDIT: So do we pretty much agree on that point?

In reality, all he's doing is pushing the same buttons he always has, nothing has changed. The longer he spends here, the more invested he gets, the more he forgets which life is the real one.
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09-26-2015, 02:55 PM
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I really don't understand why we need to openly discuss politics in the first place on a forum about lewd anime girls. It doesn't really make sense to drop that the latest genocide in "x" was caused by "x" when people were just discussing what anime to watch a few minutes ago.

You might be entitled to whatever you'd like to say, but think about it - there's much better avenues on where to discuss them. I'm all for free speech and uncensored discussion, but I also agree that politics should be kept to a minimum outside their respective channels and subforums. If you think there's not enough people to discuss about it, start recruiting for the channel/group, or look for more dedicated forums for said topics.

Of course, it's inevitable that it might leak into #general or The Lounge every so often, but that doesn't mean we have to outright stop it on the spot, so long as it stays civil and respectful like any other discussion. If people seem uncomfortable on a certain topic, then it's on you to ease up on it.

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09-26-2015, 03:06 PM
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>>19986
Many matters end up on the political without an express aim.
People's views on sexuality, race, gender identity are going to "cause discomfort" even when somebody isn't meaning to start a discussion about the matter.

It's seriously doubtful that banning "political" posts in a social context where everything's political works.
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09-26-2015, 03:09 PM
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How about you stop posting about a subject outside of the clearly defined area created to cater to your subject? Or is that concept too difficult for you to comprehend?

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09-26-2015, 03:12 PM
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(09-26-2015, 03:06 PM)lithium Wrote: >>19986
Many matters end up on the political without an express aim.
People's views on sexuality, race, gender identity are going to "cause discomfort" even when somebody isn't meaning to start a discussion about the matter.

It's seriously doubtful that banning "political" posts in a social context where everything's political works.

Taking it to the extreme is not the point. It would make no sense to ban any talk about sexuality in a lewd forum. The point, I think, is keeping Jewish conspiracies and opinions of Immigrants to appropriate sections.

In reality, all he's doing is pushing the same buttons he always has, nothing has changed. The longer he spends here, the more invested he gets, the more he forgets which life is the real one.
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09-26-2015, 03:21 PM
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How about we all just chill? Aside from this thread the forum is very relaxed and on point, don't know about discord though; as I'm not on there.
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09-26-2015, 03:28 PM
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>>19997
Where did anybody mention jewish conspiracies on this forum

>the point, I think, is


There's no "point", some want all hate speech banned, some want all politics banned, some want oddly off topic political statements banned. There are no propsitions, just hysterics and threats of "boycotting".
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