Issues with the Discord Service - We might move again.

by mayunaise

Poll: Should we move? Where to?
This poll is closed.
No. We stay where we are.
9.76%
4 9.76%
IRC
56.10%
23 56.10%
Slack
19.51%
8 19.51%
XMPP
4.88%
2 4.88%
Skype
2.44%
1 2.44%
Tox
7.32%
3 7.32%
Total 41 vote(s) 100%
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09-23-2015, 08:10 PM (This post was last modified: 10-01-2015, 02:57 PM by mayunaise. Edit Reason: Added poll.)
#19455 (1)
Salutations. Im sorry to bring to your attention today that the chat service we've been using for a while now, Discord, has conflicting interest with our lewd.sx channel. What has been happening, is that the #nsfw channel conflicts with the TOS. And to most users distraught, there has been..forsay, "dislike" of the terms of service presented. Most notably, Hammer and Chisel included a clause, that states that every message we send, and the channels we own, belong to them to freely manipulate and share. Due to the global outcry, we have been considering yet another move of chat service.

Unlike the first move, we shall give you, the community, a choice to pick where you want us to relocate to. A poll thread will be made, public and open to pick from the main contenders (IRC, back to slack, Tox, XMPP) and shall be open to add new suggestions to vote for. We really hope we can come to a conclusion that leaves everyone satisfied, so feel free to express any opinions you have on the subject in this thread, to me or to @Neko .
Sorry for the inconvenience.

EDIT:
Poll has been attached, if this matters to you, please pick a service or request the addition of one to the poll. A reason why you selected such would be nice as feedback as well in the form of a post. This poll expires in a week from now, so choose wisely and quickly.

RESULTS:
And the results are in. ..t-two days in that is..
With a landslide victory, IRC has one the whole shebang, and therefore we shall continue work on our official lewd irc server. Sorry to anyone who voted other options and didnt get the outcome they wanted, but the majority gets what they want.
I promise you, the irc client on-site that we're going to use, is absolutely maginficient, so dont despair too much.
Thanks to everyone who voted, have a nice week. :D

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09-23-2015, 08:13 PM (This post was last modified: 09-23-2015, 08:13 PM by tn5421.)
#19458 (2)
Quite frankly I find myself offended at the thought Discord believes they can claim ownership of content that we post using their service, free or not.

Also notable is that the devs deliberately danced around providing an actual answer as to what they use the data for (ask @Kieru for source)



You need to link to the poll in this post so that people can find it, @Rii

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09-23-2015, 08:15 PM
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(09-23-2015, 08:13 PM)tn5421 Wrote: Quite frankly I find myself offended at the thought Discord believes they can claim ownership of content that we post using their service, free or not.

Also notable is that the devs deliberately danced around providing an actual answer as to what they use the data for (ask @Kieru for source)



You need to link to the poll in this post so that people can find it, @Rii

Not created yet, will come to fruition when the general consensus is to move.

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09-23-2015, 08:18 PM
#19462 (4)
Then append a poll on move-dontmove to the OP of this thread.

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09-23-2015, 08:30 PM
#19464 (5)
How is the chat used? I tend to favor IRC, but I'm not sure what your needs are.

Maybe consider Firefox Hello: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/hello/
It uses WebRTC, so it works on any modern browser, despite the name.

There are also some Slack clones you can host yourself. What was the reason you left Slack?
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09-23-2015, 08:31 PM (This post was last modified: 09-23-2015, 08:32 PM by tn5421.)
#19467 (6)
@Rii we need a simple move / not-move poll now.  The issue of where we move can wait until we've decided where to move.  The current poll makes it seem as if you were in favor of not moving.

@Mew The reason we left Slack was ultimately because of the 10k message limit being far too little for our community.

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09-23-2015, 08:32 PM
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>>19464
> What was the reason you left Slack?

limitations and a seemingly better alternative.

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09-23-2015, 08:36 PM
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(09-23-2015, 08:31 PM)tn5421 Wrote: @Rii we need a simple move / not-move poll now.  The issue of where we move can wait until we've decided where to move.  The current poll makes it seem as if you were in favor of not moving.

@Mew The reason we left Slack was ultimately because of the 10k message limit being far too little for our community.

Having two threads would just increase clutter, and also increase the time it takes to make a decision,so I included the "No" option for anyone with that view.

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09-23-2015, 08:38 PM (This post was last modified: 09-23-2015, 08:40 PM by tn5421. Edit Reason: left out key point kek)
#19476 (9)
(09-23-2015, 08:36 PM)Rii Wrote:
(09-23-2015, 08:31 PM)tn5421 Wrote: @Rii we need a simple move / not-move poll now.  The issue of where we move can wait until we've decided where to move.  The current poll makes it seem as if you were in favor of not moving.

@Mew The reason we left Slack was ultimately because of the 10k message limit being far too little for our community.

Having two threads would just increase clutter, and also increase the time it takes to make a decision,so I included the "No" option for anyone with that view.

Except it also functions to skew results, which is completely unacceptable. You didn't even include an 'Other' option.

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09-23-2015, 08:42 PM
#19477 (10)
Just make a channel on rizon or freenode. Skype is a botnet and I don't even use tox that much.
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09-23-2015, 08:43 PM (This post was last modified: 09-23-2015, 08:45 PM by mayunaise.)
#19478 (11)
(09-23-2015, 08:38 PM)tn5421 Wrote:
(09-23-2015, 08:36 PM)Rii Wrote:
(09-23-2015, 08:31 PM)tn5421 Wrote: @Rii we need a simple move / not-move poll now.  The issue of where we move can wait until we've decided where to move.  The current poll makes it seem as if you were in favor of not moving.

@Mew The reason we left Slack was ultimately because of the 10k message limit being far too little for our community.

Having two threads would just increase clutter, and also increase the time it takes to make a decision,so I included the "No" option for anyone with that view.

Except it also functions to skew results, which is completely unacceptable.  You didn't even include an 'Other' option.

"and shall be open to add new suggestions to vote for. We really hope we can come to a conclusion that leaves everyone satisfied, so feel free to express any opinions you have on the subject in this thread"
Did you even read what I said? As for the skewing, I dont see how im fazing results. You either pick no, suggest one you want to be added to the poll, or pick an existing one..

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09-23-2015, 08:45 PM
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>>19477
> Just make a channel on rizon or freenode. Skype is a botnet and I don't even use tox that much.
the irc option will likely mean that I'll host an IRC server

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09-23-2015, 08:46 PM
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(09-23-2015, 08:43 PM)Rii Wrote:
(09-23-2015, 08:38 PM)tn5421 Wrote:
(09-23-2015, 08:36 PM)Rii Wrote:
(09-23-2015, 08:31 PM)tn5421 Wrote: @Rii we need a simple move / not-move poll now.  The issue of where we move can wait until we've decided where to move.  The current poll makes it seem as if you were in favor of not moving.

@Mew The reason we left Slack was ultimately because of the 10k message limit being far too little for our community.

Having two threads would just increase clutter, and also increase the time it takes to make a decision,so I included the "No" option for anyone with that view.

Except it also functions to skew results, which is completely unacceptable.  You didn't even include an 'Other' option.

"and shall be open to add new suggestions to vote for. We really hope we can come to a conclusion that leaves everyone satisfied, so feel free to express any opinions you have on the subject in this thread"
Did you even read what I said?

Except the poll is already open and therefore new additions are at the distinct disadvantage of a large portion of voters will already have voted for something. Even if you reset votes, most people won't care to vote again. In other words, your bias is showing.

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09-23-2015, 08:50 PM
#19485 (14)
(09-23-2015, 08:45 PM)Neko Wrote: >>19477
> Just make a channel on rizon or freenode. Skype is a botnet and I don't even use tox that much.
the irc option will likely mean that I'll host an IRC server

IRC would be nice - we used to have an IRC channel, right?

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09-23-2015, 08:53 PM
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>>19485
> IRC would be nice - we used to have an IRC channel, right?

ya, but people stopped using it, and yagmi's lost his domain.

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09-23-2015, 08:58 PM
#19491 (16)
I think I'd prefer IRC. I need to start learning IRC stuff anyway, this will help me out!

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#19503 (17)
Irc would definitely be the best choice, at least in my opinion.
No worries about botnets or content ownership, just lines of text in a buffer.

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09-23-2015, 10:13 PM
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>>19503
> Irc would definitely be the best choice, at least in my opinion.
> No worries about botnets or content ownership, just lines of text in a buffer.

Exactly. Simplistic as that.

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09-23-2015, 11:07 PM (This post was last modified: 09-23-2015, 11:08 PM by Sai.)
#19535 (19)
IRC so that us Arch users can flaunt off our master race weechat clients as well as our Arch builds!
But seriously, an IRC server would be pretty neat. I hope that everyone here would be comfortable with that transition.

Slack would be second in line for me.
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09-23-2015, 11:11 PM
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>>19535
> IRC so that us Arch users can flaunt off our master race weechat clients as well
> as our Arch builds!
> But seriously, an IRC server would be pretty neat. I hope that everyone here would
> be comfortable with that transition.
>
> Slack would be second in line for me.

This tbh.
Weechat is super comfy and I'd love to be able to chat with you guys over IRC than some shitty web client *shudder*

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09-23-2015, 11:35 PM
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I only use WeeChat because it was the simplest to setup on a server.

>>19535
> IRC so that us Arch users can flaunt off our master race weechat clients as well
>  as our Arch builds!

That's what the desktop thread is for.
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09-23-2015, 11:47 PM
#19551 (22)
IIRC, IRC can't run well on my computer.
That was a joke please don't lynch

Pun aside, I'm not familiar with IRC and would prefer Slack. I'm already part of a forum's chat there (HB Slack chat) and I like the app. I really wouldn't want skype, though; groups on Skype just have a tendency to die for me.

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09-23-2015, 11:58 PM
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@None_At_All Why don't you check out mibbit.com

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(09-23-2015, 11:58 PM)tn5421 Wrote: @None_At_All Why don't you check out mibbit.com

Is that an IRC client? If we move to IRC, I really would have no problem downloading it. I just find Slack to be very convenient.

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09-24-2015, 12:08 AM
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It's a web irc client. The point is that you don't have to download anything and can IRC from your browser.

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