Goldman Sachs honored Vicarious as one of the top 5 most innovative companies of 2015

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10-24-2015, 02:57 AM
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What are your takes on this company, and its work to create Artificial Intelligence? What is your take on Artificial Intelligence as an idea? Share your thoughts below!

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10-24-2015, 04:37 AM
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I know the opinion of a lot of people is that artificial intelligence is dangerous, and as soon as it achieved, humans will be deprecated.

I'm not too sure what I think of it myself; I'd like to think that our future AI overlords will keep us around for amusement.

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10-24-2015, 04:41 AM
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(10-24-2015, 04:37 AM)Senpai Wrote: I know the opinion of a lot of people is that artificial intelligence is dangerous, and as soon as it achieved, humans will be deprecated.

I'm not too sure what I think of it myself; I'd like to think that our future AI overlords will keep us around for amusement.

I'm sure that since we as humans are very wary of not being in control, we'd somehow create a constraint to prevent any form of harm to us by any artificial intelligence. But now that I think about it, there is the possibility of them somehow being able to find a loophole through that; there's always some kind of loophole in AI movies and video games.

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10-24-2015, 06:20 PM
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Finally, no more will websites be able to discriminate against robots with captchas. Robocism is finally over. Welcome to a new age everyone.

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10-25-2015, 06:05 PM
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Robots probably won't violently kill us, just replace us over time in all fields. The most dangerous aspect is applying something that smart (probably thinks millions of times as fast as a person) and giving them access to coding or internet and wreaking havoc.
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10-25-2015, 07:15 PM
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>>23864
> Robots probably won't violently kill us, just replace us over time in all fields.
> The most dangerous aspect is applying something that smart (probably thinks millions
> of times as fast as a person) and giving them access to coding or internet and wreaking
> havoc.

Basically this. The only jobs that will be available are programming these robots.
That's why I'm in computer science. (not rly it's cuz I like programming)

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10-25-2015, 07:24 PM
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I don't even think that. Once you have an AI that can teach itsself to do anything there won't be a need for people to program them. Automation is a one way road, there are no "new" jobs made in fewer numbers (ultimately).
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10-25-2015, 07:34 PM (This post was last modified: 10-25-2015, 07:34 PM by None_At_All. Edit Reason: Spelling)
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I feel like a good way to prevent any sort of AI hostile takeover is to somehow code empathy into it, maybe model it after the brain of an alright guy.

As long as John Doe isn't a complete sociopath, the hyper-intelligent AI will most likely prioritize its "happiness" and success while actually caring about others. I mean, if you're human being, the most logical course of action in life is to seek advantage for youself while minimizing disadvantages for others, thus minimizing guilt.

A super-intelligent AI with empathy will probably just be really good at helping humanity out while mostly sering itself, but I'm sounding really naïve.

I don't know. I'm just really optimistic about technology. Of course, robots will take our jobs, but that's less their fault than the current system's, which will have to be reworked somehow to keep everything from going to shit.

In reality, all he's doing is pushing the same buttons he always has, nothing has changed. The longer he spends here, the more invested he gets, the more he forgets which life is the real one.
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10-25-2015, 08:50 PM
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>>23879
> I feel like a good way to prevent any sort of AI hostile takeover is to somehow code
>  empathy into it, maybe model it after the brain of an alright guy.
>  
>  As long as John Doe isn't a complete sociopath, the hyper-intelligent AI will most
>  likely prioritize its "happiness" and success while actually caring about others.
>  I mean, if you're human being, the most logical course of action in life is to seek
>  advantage for yourself while minimizing disadvantages for others, thus minimizing
>  guilt.
>  
>  A super-intelligent AI with empathy will probably just be really good at helping
>  humanity out while mostly serving itself, but I'm sounding really naive.
>  
>  I don't know. I'm just really optimistic about technology. Of course, robots will
>  take our jobs, but that's less their fault than the current system's, which will
>  have to be reworked somehow to keep everything from going to shit.

The last time we left a brain scan to fend for itself was in the game SOMA.

Spoilers for SOMA

And the thing turned out pretty alright after all; the bastard gone and fixed it all up. Not saying we'll be shoving our brain scans into space suits and helping the human race in such a way, since we're not that close to extinction.

Anyways, the chance we'll find our very own generic guy in Toronto would be really small. Perhaps we could create the AI and then show it human compassion, and let it learn for itself. It may not be a perfect definition, but it would be better than just giving it some other guy's definition of happiness.

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10-25-2015, 09:55 PM
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There are pretty clear benefits of using artificial intelligence, If I could get a non organic being to do my dishes for me I would be ecstatic. AI is a great tool when used for the right purposes and by the right hands. But there are a few things that scare me about AI.

1. Technological Singularity

This seems to be the thing that shows up in most science fiction, where an AI becomes so advanced that it can improve itself, and once it has improved itself enough it reaches a state of "super intelligence". From that point the AI becomes unpredictable as we can't comprehend it's intelligence

I don't believe that it would ever be a good idea to build a machine that is smarter than us, it's kind of a "rules of nature" situation. If something is smarter than us, it will eventually come to dominate us.

To me this is the least likely as most people seem to be already fully aware of this possibility due to science fiction.


2. Effects on a society that is all leisure

I don't have any backing on this and I am probably wrong but I think is there is some value in the menial tasks that we despise. If our lives were all leisure then we are extremely easy to control (See Brave New World)

Maybe it will have a positive effect because if you can cut all this out of everyone life there is much more room for progress, ideas, etc. But if there is none then we may all become lazy

3. Who controls the AI

AI in the hands of Vicarious isn't very scary because you can tell that they are developing this intelligence for a good cause, but for every good cause there is an equal, if not greater bad cause. If artificial intelligence systems are to fall in to the hands of a corrupt system, for example a government that wants to better control its populace then there a obvious issues. For one, supercomputer AIs make surveillance, espionage, and spying very easy. Additionally the governing body could use these systems to control the job market.

I am not very good with politics but if every job was doable by AIs wouldn't that cause significant unrest in society's that aren't based around equal distribution of resources? If jobs are completely eliminated would we head to classless society where everyone has equal rights and resources or would it lead to a society where you are locked to a certain class based on birth and you have absolutely no way to change it. Similar to Brave New World


Perhaps I am being to pessimistic, I feel like I am being a little to foil hat when it comes to government control, botnets, and malicious AI but there is certainly a possibility of it.
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10-26-2015, 12:42 AM
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(10-25-2015, 09:55 PM)tftp Wrote: There are pretty clear benefits of using artificial intelligence, If I could get a non organic being to do my dishes for me I would be ecstatic. AI is a great tool when used for the right purposes and by the right hands. But there are a few things that scare me about AI.

1. Technological Singularity

This seems to be the thing that shows up in most science fiction, where an AI becomes so advanced that it can improve itself, and once it has improved itself enough it reaches a state of "super intelligence". From that point the AI becomes unpredictable as we can't comprehend it's intelligence

I don't believe that it would ever be a good idea to build a machine that is smarter than us, it's kind of a "rules of nature" situation. If something is smarter than us, it will eventually come to dominate us.

To me this is the least likely as most people seem to be already fully aware of this possibility due to science fiction.


2. Effects on a society that is all leisure

I don't have any backing on this and I am probably wrong but I think is there is some value in the menial tasks that we despise. If our lives were all leisure then we are extremely easy to control (See Brave New World)

Maybe it will have a positive effect because if you can cut all this out of everyone life there is much more room for progress, ideas, etc. But if there is none then we may all become lazy

3. Who controls the AI

AI in the hands of Vicarious isn't very scary because you can tell that they are developing this intelligence for a good cause, but for every good cause there is an equal, if not greater bad cause. If artificial intelligence systems are to fall in to the hands of a corrupt system, for example a government that wants to better control its populace then there a obvious issues. For one, supercomputer AIs make surveillance, espionage, and spying very easy. Additionally the governing body could use these systems to control the job market.

I am not very good with politics but if every job was doable by AIs wouldn't that cause significant unrest in society's that aren't based around equal distribution of resources? If jobs are completely eliminated would we head to classless society where everyone has equal rights and resources or would it lead to a society where you are locked to a certain class based on birth and you have absolutely no way to change it. Similar to Brave New World


Perhaps I am being to pessimistic, I feel like I am being a little to foil hat when it comes to government control, botnets, and malicious AI but there is certainly a possibility of it.

I haven't read Brave New World, but from what I've heard of it, it sounds like a pretty perfect utopia.

More than anything though, I'm pretty convinced AI will take every job and we'll have to work out some gosh darned way to make a post-work economy that hasn't reached post-scarcity level yet work.

In reality, all he's doing is pushing the same buttons he always has, nothing has changed. The longer he spends here, the more invested he gets, the more he forgets which life is the real one.
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10-26-2015, 03:12 AM
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Hope the robots take over the world so I could do some B rated movie Hollywood hero shit

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(10-26-2015, 12:42 AM)None_At_All Wrote:
(10-25-2015, 09:55 PM)tftp Wrote: There are pretty clear benefits of using artificial intelligence, If I could get a non organic being to do my dishes for me I would be ecstatic. AI is a great tool when used for the right purposes and by the right hands. But there are a few things that scare me about AI.

1. Technological Singularity

This seems to be the thing that shows up in most science fiction, where an AI becomes so advanced that it can improve itself, and once it has improved itself enough it reaches a state of "super intelligence". From that point the AI becomes unpredictable as we can't comprehend it's intelligence

I don't believe that it would ever be a good idea to build a machine that is smarter than us, it's kind of a "rules of nature" situation. If something is smarter than us, it will eventually come to dominate us.

To me this is the least likely as most people seem to be already fully aware of this possibility due to science fiction.


2. Effects on a society that is all leisure

I don't have any backing on this and I am probably wrong but I think is there is some value in the menial tasks that we despise. If our lives were all leisure then we are extremely easy to control (See Brave New World)

Maybe it will have a positive effect because if you can cut all this out of everyone life there is much more room for progress, ideas, etc. But if there is none then we may all become lazy

3. Who controls the AI

AI in the hands of Vicarious isn't very scary because you can tell that they are developing this intelligence for a good cause, but for every good cause there is an equal, if not greater bad cause. If artificial intelligence systems are to fall in to the hands of a corrupt system, for example a government that wants to better control its populace then there a obvious issues. For one, supercomputer AIs make surveillance, espionage, and spying very easy. Additionally the governing body could use these systems to control the job market.

I am not very good with politics but if every job was doable by AIs wouldn't that cause significant unrest in society's that aren't based around equal distribution of resources? If jobs are completely eliminated would we head to classless society where everyone has equal rights and resources or would it lead to a society where you are locked to a certain class based on birth and you have absolutely no way to change it. Similar to Brave New World


Perhaps I am being to pessimistic, I feel like I am being a little to foil hat when it comes to government control, botnets, and malicious AI but there is certainly a possibility of it.

I haven't read Brave New World, but from what I've heard of it, it sounds like a pretty perfect utopia.

More than anything though, I'm pretty convinced AI will take every job and we'll have to work out some gosh darned way to make a post-work economy that hasn't reached post-scarcity level yet work.

Well it is a utopia for those who are born into high class, but you are chosen by random for a certain class and because there a not jobs or ways to make money it's impossible to change classes.